Legislature(2005 - 2006)CAPITOL 124

02/03/2005 08:00 AM House COMMUNITY & REGIONAL AFFAIRS


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+= HB 25 REFUND OF FISH BUSINESS TAX TO MUNIS TELECONFERENCED
Failed To Move Out Of Committee
*+ HB 69 PUBLIC ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS TELECONFERENCED
Moved Out of Committee
HB  69-PUBLIC ASSISTANCE PROGRAMS                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
8:54:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR THOMAS announced that the  final order of business would                                                               
be  HOUSE BILL  NO. 69,  "An Act  relating to  contracts for  the                                                               
provision  of state  public assistance  to certain  recipients in                                                               
the  state; providing  for regional  public assistance  plans and                                                               
programs  in the  state;  relating to  grants  for Alaska  Native                                                               
family  assistance  programs;  relating to  assignment  of  child                                                               
support by  Alaska Native family assistance  recipients; relating                                                               
to  paternity   determinations  and  genetic   testing  involving                                                               
recipients of  assistance under  Alaska Native  family assistance                                                               
programs; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
8:55:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
KATHERINE  FARNHAM,  Director,  Division  of  Public  Assistance,                                                               
Department  of  Health  and  Social  Services  (DHSS),  began  by                                                               
explaining  the Temporary  Assistance for  Needy Families  (TANF)                                                               
program, which is  a federally funded program that  is matched by                                                               
state dollars  at a maintenance  of effort  level.  The  TANF was                                                               
revamped significantly  after the  welfare reform of  1996, which                                                               
allowed for  block grants  to states  for the  monies that  go to                                                               
needy families in  order to provide cash  assistance and benefits                                                               
into a  welfare to work  program.  She  referred to a  chart that                                                               
illustrated  the success  of  that block  grant  program and  the                                                               
welfare  reform  initiative.   She  informed  the committee  that                                                               
Alaska's program [TANF]  has won three years  of high performance                                                               
bonuses based  on the success  of employing Alaskans who  were on                                                               
welfare.  Since  the peak [of welfare assistance]  in April 1984,                                                               
there has been  a reduction of 58 percent in  the number of cases                                                               
on welfare.  The aforementioned  saves the state $66.1 million in                                                               
cash benefits.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. FARNHAM  explained that the  same law in 1996  allowed tribal                                                               
organizations to  run similar tribal  or community/regional-based                                                               
TANF programs.  About 37  tribal TANF organizations are operating                                                               
nationwide,  of which  three are  in Alaska.   In  order for  the                                                               
tribal organizations to have a  program that's fair and equitable                                                               
to  the state's  program, the  legislature decided  to include  a                                                               
state  component in  the  tribal programs,  which  is the  Native                                                               
Family  Assistance  Program (NFAP).    In  2000, the  legislature                                                               
established NFAP with  a sunset of June 30, 2005.   The following                                                               
four regions were  designated as able to establish  a tribal TANF                                                               
program:     Tanana  Chiefs  Conference,   Tlingit-Haida  Central                                                               
Council, Association  of Village  Council Presidents  (AVCP), and                                                               
Metlakatla Indian Community.   The first three  have been running                                                               
programs  since 1999-2000.    Ms. Farnham  pointed  out that  the                                                               
federal  law allows  all 12  regional  nonprofits and  Metlakatla                                                               
Indian Community  to run a  tribal TANF program.   However, state                                                               
law   only   allows   for    the   aforementioned   four   tribal                                                               
organizations.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FARNHAM pointed  out that  the same  state law  required the                                                               
division to submit  a report to the  legislature highlighting the                                                               
relative merits  and successes of  the tribal TANF program.   The                                                               
report  highlights  the  successes  of  the  three  programs  and                                                               
reinforces  the  notion  that flexibility  and  local  control  -                                                               
knowing the  families and economies  - make for a  stronger, more                                                               
successful program.  In fact,  the tribal organizations are doing                                                               
a  better job  than  the  state in  very  rural  areas where  the                                                               
economic  challenge   is  very   significant.     Therefore,  the                                                               
administration is in support of  making NFAP permanent in statute                                                               
and offering  it to  all 12  regional nonprofits  and Metlakatla,                                                               
which would then match the federal legislation.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. FARNHAM noted that  HB 69 has a fiscal note  that is based on                                                               
new   tribal  organizations,   specifically  Cook   Inlet  Tribal                                                               
Council, who  have expressed a  strong interest in  running their                                                               
own  program.   The Cook  Inlet Tribal  Council has  been working                                                               
with  the state  since  May 2004  to prepare  for  a tribal  TANF                                                               
serving  Alaska  Native  and American  Indian  residents  in  the                                                               
Anchorage area.   The aforementioned is  a significant population                                                               
and would  form one of the  nation's largest TANF programs.   The                                                               
fiscal note  identifies how  current federal  funds going  to the                                                               
state for  that population  would be  reduced because  that money                                                               
would go directly to Cook Inlet  Tribal Council.  She pointed out                                                               
that  since  the federal  block  grant  would drop,  the  state's                                                               
maintenance of effort  level would drop and  produce general fund                                                               
(GF) savings for  the state.  Ms. Farnham  informed the committee                                                               
that  two other  regions, Bristol  Bay Native  Association (BBNA)                                                               
and Maniilaq  Association, are seriously reviewing  this and have                                                               
issued  letters   to  the  federal  government   and  the  state.                                                               
Therefore,  with  the passage  of  this  legislation there  could                                                               
potentially be six  regions with tribal TANF programs  by the end                                                               
of fiscal year 2006.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:02:30 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  SALMON inquired  as to  the amount  of the  state                                                               
match.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. FARNHAM answered  that the maintenance of effort  level is 75                                                               
percent of  the federal block  grant, and offered to  provide the                                                               
committee with the specific amount after some staff work.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:03:52 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  NEUMAN   related  his  understanding   that  this                                                               
legislation would  lower the amount  the state is  providing, and                                                               
then asked if the state will receive more federal money.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FARNHAM   confirmed  that   this  legislation   reduces  the                                                               
maintenance of  effort requirement, which  is the GF match.   The                                                               
state  will not  increase the  federal  amount it  receives.   In                                                               
fact, the federal  amount the state receives would  be reduced if                                                               
Cook Inlet Tribal  Council establishes a NFAP because  it will go                                                               
directly  to Cook  Inlet Tribal  Council.   Specifically, the  GF                                                               
reduction  as a  function of  the  Cook Inlet  transfer would  be                                                               
about $2 million,  and the federal reduction is  $2.8 million and                                                               
will go directly to Cook Inlet Tribal Council in the future.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:05:16 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FARNHAM returned  to Representative  Salmon's question,  and                                                               
specified  that the  current maintenance  of effort,  GF, is  $41                                                               
million, which is 75 percent of  the federal amount.  The federal                                                               
amount the  state receives  is roughly $60  million.   In further                                                               
response  to Representative  Salmon, Ms.  Farnham specified  that                                                               
the  GF component  to Tanana  Chiefs Conference  is $2.4  million                                                               
annually, Tlingit-Haida  Central Council  is about  $2.6 million,                                                               
and AVCP  is about $3.7  million.  The  annual cost for  the NFAP                                                               
for those three organizations is $8.7 million in state funds.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:06:49 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR THOMAS  surmised then that  the four fiscal  notes total                                                               
$8.7 million.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. FARNHAM explained  that the four fiscal notes  are the result                                                               
of different components  of money changing.  For  example, one of                                                               
the fiscal  notes reflects the  fact that the federal  money will                                                               
be  taken out  of  the state  and given  directly  to Cook  Inlet                                                               
Tribal Council.   Another  fiscal note  pertains to  taking state                                                               
funds  and  moving  those  to  the NFAP  for  Cook  Inlet  Tribal                                                               
Council.   Furthermore,  there  is a  fiscal  note pertaining  to                                                               
child support  collections, which is  built in to the  funding of                                                               
the  some of  the TANF  programs.   There is  also a  fiscal note                                                               
pertaining to  child care  benefits.  Ms.  Farnham noted  that no                                                               
fiscal  note is  necessary  for the  three  existing tribal  TANF                                                               
programs, assuming continuation of the legislation.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:08:10 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CISSNA  surmised that  this successful  model, the                                                               
TANF program, is  replicated in other communities,  and the state                                                               
saves money in  terms of the fact that the  state doesn't perform                                                               
what is now  done by the local  entities.  She asked  if there is                                                               
also  a  savings  because  the   state  is  dealing  with  Native                                                               
organizations.     She  recalled  that  the   federal  government                                                               
increases  its participation  if  [the state]  works with  Indian                                                               
Health Service (IHS) entities.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FARNHAM confirmed  that it's  a  reduction in  funds to  the                                                               
state,  but  not  an  increase   in  the  shift  to  the  federal                                                               
government.    The  amount  of  the block  grant  to  the  Native                                                               
organizations  is based  on the  1994 families  on welfare.   The                                                               
exact amount the state would've  received for that block grant is                                                               
passed  on  to the  Native  organization  on a  dollar-for-dollar                                                               
basis.  Ms. Farnham related that  the model is to provide as much                                                               
wrap  around, family-oriented  services  as  possible, which  has                                                               
been better done by the tribal organizations.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:10:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LEDOUX  related  her  understanding  that  [those                                                               
communities with a NFAP] would provide all the welfare services.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. FARNHAM  answered that  in the  three regions  that currently                                                               
have  NFAP, the  tribal organization  serves all  of its  tribal,                                                               
Native  families.   In the  western region  where AVCP  operates,                                                               
AVCP is  contracted by  the state  to serve  all Native  and non-                                                               
Native needs in the region.   The same approach is anticipated in                                                               
Bristol  Bay,  she  related.   However,  the  Cook  Inlet  Tribal                                                               
Council will  serve all  Alaska Natives  and American  Indians in                                                               
the region.   In further  response to Representative  LeDoux, she                                                               
reiterated  that   to  whom  the  tribal   organization  provides                                                               
services would vary by region.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:13:13 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOTT related  his understanding  that two  Native                                                               
nonprofits  are in  the process  of being  authorized to  provide                                                               
assistance  under  the  Native   Family  Assistance  grant.    He                                                               
inquired as to who those Native nonprofits are.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  FARNHAM reiterated  that currently  there  are three  Native                                                               
regional  nonprofits  [providing   assistance  under  the  Native                                                               
Family Assistance grant].  She  specified that [the division] has                                                               
been working  with Cook Inlet Tribal  Council cooperatively since                                                               
May while  [the division] has  just begun  to work with  BBNA and                                                               
Maniilaq Association over the last couple of months.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:14:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SHARON  OLSEN, Director,  Employment and  Training, Tlingit-Haida                                                               
Central  Council,  related  that  Tlingit-Haida  Central  Council                                                               
serves all  of Southeast Alaska.   Tlingit-Haida  Central Council                                                               
serves the  health, education, employment,  and human  and public                                                               
service needs of more than  25,000 tribal members, of which about                                                               
4,000 are  under age  18.   She informed  the committee  that the                                                               
Tlingit-Haida Central  Council TANF  program was the  second such                                                               
program to be in operation.   The organization averages 360 cases                                                               
per month.   She noted  that less  than 18 percent  of households                                                               
Tlingit-Haida Central  Council served are  two-parent households.                                                               
The  Tlingit-Haida  Central  Council TANF  program  estimates  an                                                               
additional 300 potential clients due  to child support.  Although                                                               
there  may be  increases in  case  loads, there  are measures  in                                                               
place to thwart that burden,  which is a very effective diversion                                                               
program.    She  related  that one  reason  there  are  increased                                                               
caseloads  is  because  the  organization  is  present  in  every                                                               
community  in the  region.   Tlingit-Haida Central  Council   has                                                               
been able to operate the  program with existing funds, she noted.                                                               
Ms. Olsen  said that it  has been a  challenge to operate  a TANF                                                               
program in  an area with  such high unemployment.   She mentioned                                                               
the lack of training and meaningful employment.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS.  OLSEN turned  to the  flexibility that  the Native  programs                                                               
bring to TANF.   For example, the  fatherhood initiative attempts                                                               
to   reconnect    fathers   with   children   and    meet   their                                                               
responsibilities in  supporting their children.   She pointed out                                                               
that Tlingit-Haida  Central Council recently received  a two-year                                                               
planning grant  to offer a  tribal support unit to  undertake the                                                               
[child] support services  for the region.   The aforementioned is                                                               
important to  add, she opined.   She informed the  committee that                                                               
of the  13 regions  in Alaska, only  one hasn't  consolidated the                                                               
U.S. Department  of Labor, Bureau  of Indian Affairs,  and Health                                                               
and Human  Services funds  into one program,  one grant,  and one                                                               
reporting system.   That consolidation means  an organization can                                                               
do  more, which  was noted  in a  recent Office  of Management  &                                                               
Budget  report which  rated the  Public Law  102-477 tribes  were                                                               
higher  than   all  other  programs  within   the  Department  of                                                               
Interior.   Furthermore,  Tlingit-Haida Central  Council received                                                               
the  Chiefs  Award from  the  Department  of Labor  [&  Workforce                                                               
Development] because  of the ability to  provide thorough reports                                                               
in a  timely fashion.   She mentioned  that Alaska  grantees have                                                               
worked closely through the Alaska  Native Coalition on Employment                                                               
and Training.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:21:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  OLSEN  highlighted  Tlingit-Haida Central  Council's  Tribal                                                               
Vocational  Rehabilitation  (TVR)  program, which  furthers  what                                                               
it's doing with TANF families.   A recent study related that one-                                                               
third of  individuals receiving employment-related  services from                                                               
other programs such as TANF  have specific learning disabilities.                                                               
As  the TVR  program  partners more  extensively  with TANF,  the                                                               
number with disabilities  served by TVR is  expected to increase.                                                               
She  informed  the  committee that  Alaska  Natives  rank  second                                                               
highest  in  the state  with  children  with disabilities.    She                                                               
related that  those students  who can't pass  their exit  exam at                                                               
high  school  will  be  TANF  and  TVR  clients  in  the  future.                                                               
Therefore, it's important to  continue what Tlingit-Haida Central                                                               
Council  has begun.   She  noted that  the Tlingit-Haida  Central                                                               
Council TVR  center was built  to prepare for welfare  reform and                                                               
offers life,  office, basic computer, financial  planning skills,                                                               
as well as other specialized  training.  In conclusion, Ms. Olsen                                                               
urged the  passage of  HB 69,  and encouraged  the state  to work                                                               
directly with [the tribal organizations']  TANF and child support                                                               
programs  in  order to  ensure  families  receive the  assistance                                                               
necessary and more families become self-sufficient.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
9:23:59 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  NEUMAN  highlighted  [from  Ms.  Olsen's  written                                                               
testimony]  that all  regions in  Alaska, save  Maniilaq are  not                                                               
operating under Public Law 102-477.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS. OLSEN  pointed out that  it's a voluntary program,  and noted                                                               
that Maniilaq  will be consolidated  and [operating  under Public                                                               
Law 102-477] very soon.   She opined that they weren't [operating                                                               
under Public  Law 102-477]  because they  were much  smaller than                                                               
other regions.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:24:48 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOTT turned  to  Tlingit-Haida Central  Council's                                                               
child support  enforcement program.   He surmised that  Ms. Olsen                                                               
wasn't  suggesting that  the Child  Support Enforcement  Division                                                               
would decentralize  its functions  to the  Native entity,  but he                                                               
requested she comment.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS.  OLSEN  specified  that  a   [federal]  law  recently  passed                                                               
allowing tribes  in the U.S.  to operate their own  child support                                                               
enforcement programs.  First, up  to a two-year grant was offered                                                               
to allow  tribes to research  and prepare for  the implementation                                                               
of a  child support enforcement  program.   Tlingit-Haida Central                                                               
Council is  in the  first-year planning grant  stage and  will be                                                               
meeting  with  the  state  next  week  to  review  memorandum  of                                                               
agreements.  If this program  enhances what is already being done                                                               
[by Tlingit-Haida Central Council], then it will be pursued.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
9:26:33 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOTT  surmised then that the  current state system                                                               
could be  decentralized and the  tribal organizations  could take                                                               
over child support enforcement.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. OLSEN replied  yes, and highlighted that  the organization is                                                               
already working with these families.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:27:34 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MOLLY MERRIT-DUREN, Director,  Employment Training Services, Cook                                                               
Inlet  Tribal Council  (CIRI), informed  the committee  that Cook                                                               
Inlet  Tribal Council  serves  the Anchorage  area  and the  CIRI                                                               
villages.   She  reviewed the  services CIRI  provides, including                                                               
those  related  to employment  and  training,  child and  family,                                                               
substance abuse, and education.   Ms. Merrit-Duren said that CIRI                                                               
is  poised  and  would  like to  become  a  temporary  assistance                                                               
provider for tribal  families.  She highlighted that  many of the                                                               
Native  nonprofits,  such  as  CIRI,  have  been  providing  case                                                               
management for welfare  to work participants.  In  fact, CIRI has                                                               
been  doing the  aforementioned  for over  eight  years, with  an                                                               
average case load of 600-800  participants.  By becoming a tribal                                                               
TANF, CIRI would add the eligibility  piece.  She noted that CIRI                                                               
has worked closely with AVCP,  Tlingit-Haida Central Council, and                                                               
TCC, and  have been encouraged  that this  is the right  thing to                                                               
do.  She  noted that CIRI is also a  consolidated Public Law 102-                                                               
477 provider, which provides additional flexibility.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. MERRIT-DUREN  informed the committee  that the  original 1994                                                               
caseload  in Anchorage  for Alaska  Natives and  American Indians                                                               
was 1,123.   As of November  2004, the caseload was  692.  During                                                               
this  timeframe  Anchorage  has experienced  a  large  influx  of                                                               
Alaska  Natives   and  American   Indians.    Also   during  this                                                               
timeframe, CIRI was able to  help to decrease the Native American                                                               
and  American Indian  caseload by  62 percent.   She  highlighted                                                               
that many Native nonprofits are  sophisticated organizations.  In                                                               
fact,  CIRI  is   a  provider  of  accounting   services  for  39                                                               
nonprofits in the community of  Anchorage.  Furthermore, CIRI has                                                               
no financial single audit findings.   Additionally, CIRI provides                                                               
information  technology  services  for  five  nonprofits  in  the                                                               
Anchorage area.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
9:33:25 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  NEUMAN moved  to report  HB 69  out of  committee                                                               
with  individual  recommendations  [and the  accompanying  fiscal                                                               
notes].   There being no objection,  HB 69 was reported  from the                                                               
House Community and Regional Affairs Standing Committee.                                                                        

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